I dont use my emotions to discern. attitude. It was sent to us by an HML devotee! Joan of Arc was condemned by bishops who told her to renounce her visions. Trueand why should anyone obey Peter either, since He denied Christ three times? At the age of 14, my father took me to see Maureen and to receive a personal message. My Mother had a set and lost them so i ordered them from Knock here in Ireland. Without a supernatural character, one does not have any reason to go to HLM. Do you have information or thoughts about the apparitions that supposedly occur at the site in Alabama? I find this article sad. Godly grief over sin is the waiting room leading to repentance. Hang in there! A trip to the confessional is not a bad thing either. Nor would there have been the initial miracles to report at Lourdes, France if people did not flock to the miraculous spring. Im still awaiting word from the Mother Teresa Center. I did not save all the impassioned emails I received three years ago, but I did find similar comments on a site discussing Holy Love. Neither am I drawn to apparition sites perseeven if I sense that they are authentic.Apparitionseven if genuinedo not fortify the Faith that God has given to me. I admonish the faithful of the Diocese of Cleveland to cease gathering for any religious, liturgical, spiritual or devotional purpose on the site of Holy Love Ministries and declare that the Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary is not an approved association of the Christian faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland and may not legitimately use the name Catholic or represent itself as a Catholic group.. This can become a very large problem to some folks to visit these sites, and trust in them, and can cause them to question themselves, their faith, and their church. Interestingly enough, mtrv posted on site there, too, and I also had a long discussion with him/her. Such people will not be attracted to obvious evil. They pray and love God. If you are on this planet and catholic, you know these requirements do not fit many, many priests, catholic lay people. Holy Love Ministries has maintained a period of silence, and now we feel it is time to defend the truth. Obedience does not mean following the erroneous directives of bishops. Declaring the Church to be wrong/corrupt and going off in rants about it certainly conflicts with being virtuous. Holy Love is teaching what the bishops should be teaching. Even those who attend Mass do not really know the Faith. We are bound in matterwsof Faith and morals, not an advisement about an apparition that has not been officially condemned. This he did because the Catholic bishops of this countries are annually giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to leftist, pro abortion, pro homosexual groups in this country. I love obedience, and without it no one can please me (Autobiography of St. Margaret Mary # 47). But in matters concerning the disposal of actions and human affairs, a subject is bound to obey his superior within the sphere of his authority; for instance a soldier must obey his general in matters relating to war, a servant his master in matters touching the execution of the duties of his service, a son his father in matters relating to the conduct of his life and the care of the household; and so forth (Second part of the second part, Question 104, Article 5, I answer that, http://www.newadvent.org). The rcspiritualdirection site was founded by Dan Burke, who works for EWTN and is executive editor of National Catholic Register EWTN newspaper. Its irrelevant to this topic how many bishops and priests are either outright heretics or at the very least, not being true shepherds. If these folks dont yet have any internal warning flags going up at this point, argument isnt going to do it. Clothe me in Your Divine Will. I admonish the faithful of the Diocese of Cleveland to cease gathering for any religious, liturgical, spiritual or devotional purpose on the site ofHoly Love Ministries and declare that the Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary is not an approved association of the Christian faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland and may not legitimately use the name Catholic or represent itself as a Catholic group, Lennon said in his decree. People have been going to this shrine since the early 1990s, drawn by founder Sweeney-Kyles claim that Jesus and the Blessed Virgin Mary and a host of saints are appearing to her with messages. There is an old adage in Scholastic(?) What are the names of these bishops? Very interesting and impressive. Gracias Carlos! Mark-Mary Ames, CFR, Libya and the Doctrine of Justifiable Rebellion. Read all about it in The Rite The Making of a Modern Exorcist by Matt Baglio. Catholic mystical theology is lacking most deplorably in so-called catechesis today. I sincerely hope that you consult an orthodox priest about what I wrote in response to your points. But there is a dark side to acting on messages that Church authority warns against. This is the law of non-contradiction. Dont let it ruin your family too. The bigger the basket - the more fruit fits in it.". If Our precious Pope told us we were forbidden to go I would listen. Nonetheless, Bishop Lennon and his expert have serious concerns about Holy Love Ministries for Catholics. lets remember st joan of arc.please read and read about her she was absolutly right and the good dominican priest and the the english bishop/s treated her shamefully while captive. Go back to the synagogue of Satan you call Holy Love Ministries and leave the Catholic flock alone. Now, some-, the things commanded by a Superior are against God. It is through this door every grace and virtue flows from the Heart of My holy Mother. Here are repeated two points we discussed above. Yet, as an ecumenical ministry it found time and space in many of its printed materials to rail against the Church. evaluation of the messages of Maureen Sweeney Kyle of holylove.org, part 2 Yes, if we use our free will to sin,we, in effect, tie Gods Hands. Have a very blessed Christmas, Kevin. The sole purpose of Holy Love is to bring people closer to God, but all she does is find fault. Who should God Himself obey if He has no superiors? What in the world are YOU talking about? So, since you cannot best me in this argument, your answer now is to encourage all to ignore me. Just trying to tie up a few loose ends. There is a you tube video on the internet formulated by Lennons Cleveland flock. Thats even funnier! Guard me against all evil. Take what I said in all my responses to your points and show them to any theologically sound priest and you will find out that it all is clear Catholic doctrine. Bishop Lennon has not taught his people just exactly WHAT is offensive in HLM. You are so worried about HLM drawing people away from their Faith. When has Jesus rejected His own authority that of the Catholic Church? Aquinas: On the contrary, (Hebrews 13:17) obey your prelates and be subject to them. (Question 104 Obedience, Article 1). which indicates that it is free will that keeps a soul from holiness! In addition, there are a number of followers in the area where I live who were irritated by my observations. I lost my father to this place simply because the visionary and other devoted followers made him feel special and important. If you look at the fruits of it in my family, the fruits from years of following the messages ended in a divorce, an absentee father, and myself and mom suffering from PTSD from the emotional and psychological abuse. You see, you just do not get it. Sin is to use our free will to violate what God wants. What is Holy Love I do not know where you are getting your theological understandings from, LizEst, but they are all mixed up. "Make this known.". Again, this is a metaphor for the interior life of grace as it is stated by the mystical theology of the Catholic Church. Now it is out of the committees hands and being investigated by the Vatican itself. First of note concerns the structure of the Decree. Bishops have upheld heresy. Find me one misleading thing in any of her messages she has written that shows the Devil is trying to win over people and take them out and away from the church. Dont you see what hes accomplishing? Actual apparitions (as distinguished from hallucinations or other psychological phenomena) can only be from one of two sources: God (supernatural) or an influence of the devil (demonic, preternatural). Those at Holy Love Ministries have openly rejected it. This IS the teaching of the Catholic Church. However, my experience there (quite unexpected) threw me into 19 years of anxiety, stress, and doubt. People are hungry for God. You spoke earlier of no proof that Bishop Lennon is heretical. To comply with Bishop Lennons decree is a false obedience, for, in admonishing the lay faithful to cease gathering there, he is preventing the spread and the teaching of the true orthodox Faith as it has been handed down to us. Jesus Accepts His Cross. You do so as well.. The Lord indeed is my savior; I am confident and unafraid. The person who wrote you quoted several canons about the rights of the faithful, but has ignored canon 223 which speaks of taking into account the common good of the Church and the obligation of ecclesiastical authority, in view of the common good, to regulate the exercise of the rights of the faithful. I meant to speak more generally. He was cited for canon law violations so egregious that he was severely rebuked by Rome. Holy Mother Church is indeed wise. The harping criticism is that to be Catholic one must be obedient to ones bishop no matter what. it was a few years ago. You are a clear writer: you line of questioning tells the whole world, clearly, that you are digging for dirtsome scandal to justify your disobedience. They do not have confessions or Mass on the property, as requested by the Bishop. I was joined by 3,500 other pilgrims who had congregated to see if the Virgin Mary would appear as purported locutionist Stephen Marino had reported she would. There is no error in what is coming out of HLM. It is through this door every grace and virtue flows from the Heart of My Holy Mother. This is contrary to our faith. Does he have serious concerns about the personal profits he garnered from the sale of those churches? Okay, Ill answer your question that you posed awhile ago. When in the history of the Catholic Church have approved apparitions consisted of a Blessed Mother going freestyle outside the Church? I hold in my hand an official, signed and sealed copy of the Bayside documentone that I personally obtained straight from the Diocesan archivist. Marino eventually published more than 300 of the messages, dated from March 1991 to January 1992. Heck, I didnt even say the rosary with all the other thousands gathered ther. Read: sometimes it could do grave harm to someones reputation. Again, Catholic obedience must always be to the Faith. Call it the Holy Spirit or my Guardian Angel, but I dont think this is a true Catholic organization. Simply reading the endless so-called messages on their website, direct from the Blessed Virgin, Jesus, and a host of saints was enough to alert the little internal red flags. Please understand that I speak to you as one martyred for the Truth of private revelation despite evidence to the contrary. This challenge has been met with silence, with the exception of one person who selected some messages and included with them her own explanations as to their heretical content. Vatican Two told us that, and the new head of the CDF has told us that failure to accept the TRUE teachings of Vatican Two is heresy. And they will produce great signs and wonders, so much so as to lead into error even the elect (if this could be). ~Mt 24:24. You also are so obsessed with Church law that you are missing what the Church is suffering.. Again, I learned this from Aquinas, The Church is where the true Faith is. It is really the same motivation of those who visit approved shrines. Michael Rennier. Above I did state that Bishop Lennon was corrupt. That is why we have the Church, so that we dont get led astray by what looks good on the surface. ( I keep asking the following question but I never get an answer from the scoffers who write here: If your bishop tells you that the Holy Eucharist is only God during Mass, so disregard the Sacred Species otherwise, will you do so so that you can feel truly obedient?) The Dialogues is St. Catherine of Sienas profound spiritual work and is accepted by the Church as indeed she is a Doctor (teacher) of the Church. Design by Perceptions Studio. It is the Heart of the Eternal Father. The six-chambered heart clinched it for me! I refer you to what I just shared with Elizabeth. From EWTN document PRIVATE REVELATIONS AND DISCERNMENT OF SPIRITS: The objection will be raised: The Church was so slow in approving Fatima, and so people lost so many graces while waiting. When has anyone in our day heard a Priest condemn the sin of fornication from the pulpit? Apparently, the final authority of the Catholic Church agrees with Lennons position. It is a gossip piece such as you read about movie stars. You will not deal with specifics of HLM nor will you discuss Aquinas view of obedience to Church authority because you want your own arrogant and distorted view to be accepted by all as the truth without any discussion.. No one is asking you to believe in the messages of HLM. it does not mean not heeding a warning from a bishop. When has Jesus rejected His own authority that of the Catholic Church? HLM twisted my fathers mind and made him feel powerful and worthy. Afterwards, the house did sell. Therese of Lisieux ((Doctor of the Church) told her novices Pick up a pin and save a soul. Yes, I understand the force of the document. To commit Mortal sin, we enumerated those 3 things has to be present. Holy Love 37137 Butternut Ridge Road, North Ridgeville, OH 44039 Sitemap, The Way to Heaven Through the Chambers of the United Hearts, Topical Studies & Additional Valuable Resources, Children of the United Hearts Association, Defending the Mission, Ministry and Apparitions, https://www.holylove.org/wp-content/uploads/Holy%20and%20Divine%20Love%20Messages%20-%20God%20the%20Fathers%20nuances%20and%20depth%20for%20each%20of%20the%20Ten%20Commandments%206%2024%20to%207%2013%202021.mp3, Solemnity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Holy Mother of God and the Feast of the Circumcision of Our Lord and the Octave of Christmas*, https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/octave-christmas/, https://www.holylove.org/First_Chamber_of_the_United_Hearts, https://www.holylove.org/What_is_Holy_Love, https://www.holylove.org/tripleblessing.pdf, https://www.holylove.org/Apostles_Creed.pdf, https://www.holylove.org/What_Is_the_Apostles_Creed.pdf, https://www.holylove.org/The_Apostles_Creed.pdf, Feast of Mary, Protectress of the Faith 37th Anniversary, To the Remnant Church in the Tradition of Faith, https://www.holylove.org/rosary-meditations, https://www.scripturalrosary.org/BeginningPrayers.html, Solemnity of the Annunciation of the Lord, Feast of Divine Mercy 3:00 P.M. Service, http://www.mapquest.com/us/oh/north-ridgeville/44039-8541/37137-butternut-ridge-rd-41.342596,-82.043320, https://www.holylove.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Triple_Blessing.pdf. It may have started out valid ( I cannot think the devil would inspire her to make teardrop Rosary beads with a little fetus inside to pray against abortion) I love those Rosary beads (got them from some of the Rosary ladies at Church) and I think they are legit inspired. As the pastor of the Diocese of Cleveland his oversight certainly includes what is identified as ecumenical in that the faithful of the diocese cannot be encouraged or permitted to participate in any group or organization whose beliefs or practices contradict the teachings of the Church in faith and morals. They did not because they could not. In 2005 an article in The Plain Dealer newspaper of Cleveland, OH reported on this ministry and its many suspicious claims: The ministry was formed around 1986, meeting in homes of followers or a few welcoming churches. I can read St. Thomas too, and you are misreading him. In his new book,Navigating the Interior Life: Spiritual Direction and the Journey to GodBurke strongly recommends finding a good spiritual director to avoid getting misled and straying from Church teaching and authority. They claim numerous miracles are occurring and special blessings are bestowed on all who come. Three bishops have approved of it. This Vatican overrode Lennons gross and unethical use of Diocesan properties and monies. Consider the options the devil has available to trap faithful Catholics? And no, I am not mocking this, that stuff about Jesus telling people to redeem themselves in his eyes is actually in one of the messages of MDM. Yes, we may suffer a punishment but Donald Trump is not the answer. If obedience acts to harm, Faith, the a Catholic has a duty not to obey his Superiors. Catholics must keep their heads on straight and not wander from Church teachings, but praying at an apparition site is not wrong. But only time will tell, and we will know the Truth some day, maybe in heaven if we are determined by our life and prayers and faithfulness to the Church to go there. And again, if you are questioning such an orthodox, fundamental concept it only goes to prove that you are very mixed up. In juxtaposition, does Bishop Lennon have serious concerns about Future Church which is now operating in his diocese. Find me one half truth, just one. And they are, so they have mortal sin in their body and soul. "Through the Divine Mercy of the Sacred Heart and the Holy Compassion of My Mother's Heart, I was able to courageously embrace the cross.". Otherwise well meaning people are disenchanted by a perception of a lack of people fulfilling their office(s). Unfortunately, they do for that fakery-or demonic trickery- in a small Bosnian village). 2. I am All Three. We attend and receive Christ in the Eucharist weekly by attending mass..this article is so sad to me. But, alas, Im not a writer. One person wrote and said her fallen-away Catholic friend that once ridiculed the site became a believer. What do you find erroneous? People can follow Sweeny-Kyle or the Church, but not both. I am proving, however, that we should never say never . Would the devil be behind the formation of prayer groups? My point is that individual bishops can lead you away from what is of God. Thats all Im going to say, as I watch this conversation unfold with disbelief. No less. Whats wrong with your internal compass? The burden of proof is upon you, not me. Both her ignorance of Catholic doctrine, as well as her inability to think clearly became obvious for all to see. Many of them do go and believe in Holy Love apparitions. Get it? (1) Our Lady does not need our prayers. It apparently also makes some Catholics so prideful that theyve decided they know better than the Church, i.e. Jesus and Mary would never, ever, ever, EVER counsel someone to be disobedient to the legitimate Church authority. Church doctrine and Church teaching is solid. Yes, LizEst! I repeat: Bishop Lennon has only advised warned and counseled his disapproval of HLM. Trust in Him with a contrite, faithful and open heart. (3) I may never criticize any Superior under any circumstances. Thirdly, there are many bishops who not only approve, but are actually involved, in the promulgation of HLM. as they represent Christ, declare as teachers of the faith or establish as "Consider how Divine Love and Holy Love made Their Wills one with the Eternal Father. And thats all Im going to say on this. (Fr. If the time comes when people realize the messages are false, there is a risk that they will feel duped by religion and turn away entirely. Evidently Christs Mother knows the difference between true obedience and the false obedience of excess as St. Thomas gives it to us in the Summa , his greatest work. St. Ignatius is referring to the Magisterium, which is the definitive authority of the Catholic Church. Peace is a gift from God and the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Never was a true visionary told he or she did not have to obey Catholic authority. Jesus told us that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church and he promised to send the Paraclete to keep the Church free from error. The bishop is wrong to discourage anyone from going here.It was never properly investigated and the resultant miracles were ignored. Cover me with the Precious Blood of Your Divine Son. I just looked at some of the messages and one of them has Jesus telling people to redeem themselves in his eyes. You want transparency? Is Bishop Lennon not under investigation? It is also best to keep the sarcastic tone to yourself, all right? they knew each other since they were 9 yrs old. How sad that, even in the face of the most basic logic, many refuse to understand how dangerous it is to follow the serpentine path of these untruths. You must digest them for any positive effect. My strength and my courage is the Lord, and he has been my savior. (Isaiah 12:2). In all the various approved apparitions throughout the centuries, does the Blessed Mother or Jesus talk of worldly events, the economy, politicians and the U.S. economy? A lot of Saints also give teachings. How many are involved with Masonic lodges? Satan had me all wrapped up and ready to go as I fell prey to the minimalizm and liberalism in my local parish. We all know how that turned out. It may be coming from an unhinged or manipulative person, or it may be coming from the demons, or it may be coming from some combination of them both. It teaches the rest of us good apologetics skills. Iused to wonder why the devil would have a hand in false apparitions when they inspired so many faithful Catholics to increase their prayer life and devotion to God and the Blessed Mother. Well worth the read. It is outside of the Churchs teaching and practice and nothing more. HLM is doing the job that the bishops should be doing, that is teaching the ancient truths and deep theology of the CCC. The difference in wording is salient. It is hard for me to grasp the influence of the Ohio diocese attempt to stop pilgrims from going to Holy love, which is a Ecumenical Ministrry for all people and all nations. Finally, the Church has spoken authoritatively on Holy Love Ministries and its 83-acre site of Maranatha Spring and Shrine in Ohio. I didnt read the whole thing but scanned it. The writings of HLM are totally reasonable. If one reads Lennons Decree carefully, there is a LOT more going on in it than how some are arguing it. Thanks for the suggestion. Re: your reference to The Imitation of Christ. Thanks for this information. I think that you are referring to when I quoted St. Catherine of Sienas Dialogues wherein God the Father tells her to keep her spiritual life between Him and growing in self knowledge. The remnant are not those necessarily following HLM, but rather those who follow the truths of the Catholic Church with a humble openness to God.If one is doing this, one does not necessarily need HLM to tell them what one already knows. Que Dios te bendiga. Instead of spending money and time on sites of questionable authenticity, I realize now that the best way to act radically for Christ is to receive Him every day at Mass and then to live His gospel message. I keep asking people, What will you do when the Pope (not this one, of course) tells you that the Holy Eucharist is only the living God during the Mass, so please put the remaining hosts in the garbage. Then we had better know the difference between true obedience and the false obedience of excess. June 2019: The devil wants to deceive you. Bigger trials are coming in the future, Patti. Decrees I just didnt see the word condemned in the citation I linked to. How could all these good fruits not be from God? You all will just exclude yourselves from the Truth. If he himself is not addressing these issues, it would go a long way to explain his aversion to HLM. Perhaps Bishop Lennon had something like the above in mind when he condemned S-Ks claims? And obviously, I am no way biased against mystics and visionariesin fact the entire Mystics of the Church website is in support of them. That is why we have the Church, so that we dont get led astray by what looks good on the surface. Well, Ive gopt a question: Regarding the bishops we are supposed to obey: how many of them have concealed pedophile priests? Can you say that of many bishops now in this country? No, it does not. It attributes whole malice to persons, effectively demonizing them. No, John Leary, who claims to be receiving messages from Jesus, Mary and the saints, does not have Church approval. While the genuine theologian attempts to develop and complement and unfold biblical and ecclesial teaching, he does not reject it. Again, I ask you, get SPECIFIC. The overcast sky cleared just a bit as the sun showed itself through a thin film of clouds. Bishops have allowed these spiritual perversions and they will answer to God for it. reported that Kyle responded to Lennons decree by stating, https://catholicexchange.com/2006/11/06/94475/, The Real Marie Antoinette | feat. I am proving, however, that we shouldnever say never. The Church is very clear in her language and Bishop Lennon went as far as he could go without being out of line canonically. Using your logic Joan was wrong for not denying her voices. We are not bound to follow an admonishment. However, once the Church has condemned a site and declared it off limits to clergy and laity, its a different ball game. Hmmm! His rhetoric is very specific and unique; it is easy to recognize. If Pope Benedict XVI came out tomorrow and said no Catholics are to go to Holy Love because he has deemed that it is not of supernatural origin, would you obey or would you continue to go? It sought approval through official channels for several years, but instead, in 1999, the Diocese of Clevlandissued a statement urging extreme caution. The only reference you cited is your book. Perhaps 3221 is thinking of the letter he wrote concerning Holy Love a year or so prior that was indeed just a warning. The Church is very very slow to either affirm definitely or condemn definitely any apparition, knowing full well that they could be twarting the Holy Spirit. Its coming through loud and clear that you are so attached to this particular so-called apparition site, that you are placing it and your own judgement above Holy Mother Church, and therefore have placed your soul in danger. Our Lady is asking us to HELP HER through our prayers. In the Mystical Theology of St. John of the Cross (Doctor of Mystical Theology of the Catholic Church) he explains that in mystical union with God, the soul becomes God and God becomes the soul. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth (John 16:12-13). The condescending judgments made by those in this correspondence who deride HLM are very pronounced. Thank you so much for writing this and for all those who allow this to be easily found. My life is stressful enough without stirring up such pots, I reasoned. Sadly, some cannot, or will not, recognize the Shepherds voice (cf John 10:14). Any profit from the sale of the Rosary of the unborn is to fund a shelter for unwed mothers. In Marinos case, I later learned that he got involved in a worldwide movement built around Medjugorje and tried to use that connection to make Kettle River a major Marian shrine.
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